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Originally Posted by colinbaker62

To return to the overall point of the essay, unless we grasp the nettle and begin challenging this unequal and uneven ownership of productive capacity and the resulting social product, such exploitative societies will inevitably continue to give rise to racial tensions. Just cast an eye to contemporary Israel where neo-nazism of all things is taking root.

Colin

History has proven that there are few systems as unequal and uneven as socialism. Colin will insist true socialism has never existed, which only means that he would rather blame untamed human nature for poisoning a pristine theory than admitting that all systems must take into account human nature, and if the system cannot rise above it, it is a failure. Lenin and Stalin murdered tens of millions of their own countrymen in an attempt to change the nature of man so that man would submit to new masters. It still failed. Ironically, that is why so many socialists consider it the system of the future - because so far in the present and the past it has meant widespread misery, enslavement and murder.

Capitalism works because it offers opportunity and rewards ingenuity and productivity. Are there abuses? Certainly - in all systems there are abuses, but overall it has raised the standard of living for billions. Colin decries business owners - and the idea that a majority work for the minority. Don't fall for the ruse - in his system this would not change, but for the fact that the socialist elite would be giving the orders and living like kings while the proletariat would be forced into little boxes and forced to work "for the state."

Capitalism allows movement between classes, that's why the revolution that Marx predicted never happened here in America. The obsessive fixation on materialism by socialists, and their encouragement of envy to inspire a classless society often reveal them to be caricatures themselves of the shriveled form they claim is wrought by a rapacious capitalist system. Socialism and Communism survive in the world of theory because inconveniences can be dismissed (an expectation that upon reprogramming human nature, citizens would be made pliable enough to follow designs from the top. For all the high fallutin' gibberish we're expected to wade through here - It is a top down system run by bureaucrats who are better suited to build Potemkin villages than prosperous economies.

And most important, Xtremelady - Socialism has nothing to do with freedom.

And that quip about neo-nazism taking root in Israel? Arresting a gang of juveniles chanting Nazi platitudes does not a movement make - and one wonders how a man so educated as you could make such an assumption. Not a big fan of Israel?

This is not to say that Colin means ill - although forwarding a system that has caused so much misery might be construed that way. He is genuinely convinced that socialism is the key to a brighter future. To that end, I wish him good health, but not good luck in his endevours. We should all be looking for ways to deliver man from the bondage of a usurping government, not the other way around.