[Rain]

Right wingers are gonna be pissed.

[jerH]

The hardcore right wingers gave up on Powell when he gave the neocons the bird and shuffled out of town. I'm guessing Rush Limbaugh is saying that this just confirms what he knew all along.

[Phonoho]

Right-wingers have always been pissed about something. Now that Bush has left skid marks in their communal underwear they have more reason to be.

[Corneac]

I'ce reached an incredible state of apathy.

[Vince]

All I care, in the amazing scenario that McCain wins is that he doesn't die while president. If Palin becomes president, I pity her. I bet over 100 people will try to kill her.

[Phonoho]

Many more have already deified her. With any luck, she'll end up with a series on the Lifetime channel.

[jerH]

I see her more as an HGTV kinda celeb....host of "Sell Your House? You Betcha!" It would play to her ability to blindly repeat the strengths of a home while ignoring the cracking foundation....

[jerH]

So here's my parting shot on John McCain, and why my support for him was wavering long before his idiotic VP choice. The national debt stood at ~$5 trillion when Bush took office. He cut taxes, big time, at the top of the bracket, a move which I applauded John McCain for opposing. Now the debt stands at ~$10 trillion. I know the economy is growing and the dollar is losing value due to inflation and yadda yadda yadda, but it's hard to suppress the interpretation that in 8 years Bush's policies doubled what it took the first 42 presidents 224 years to accumulate. But now John McCain wants to lock in the tax cuts that made for that deficit??!! As Victor Meldrew would say, "I don't believe it!" (And if you get that, we should form a sad little clique.)


Here's a graph that takes some of that inflation/economic growth into account:

What's even more disconcerting that the fact that the debt is now ~70% of GDP is the slope of that line at the right edge of the graph. Do we really think we can keep that up for long? John McCain apparently does...and I'm just waiting for Sarah Palin to suggest we just print more money....

[jerH]

Hopefully all my American compatriots are in line to vote by now...whoever you're planning to vote for, get out there and do it! I had an argument over the weekend with an acquaintance who claimed that "early voting is un-American" since if you're not willing to stand in line you must not really care. I countered that what's un-American is trying to keep people from voting. I was out until about 2 am last night with the Obama campaign pulling "suppression literature." I thought they were kidding (and thankfully we didn't find a lot) but we did find fliers left on people's porches in depressed neighborhoods urging them to vote ON THURSDAY or telling them that their polling place had been moved to an address miles away. Some people have no shame....

[Timmay]

everyone i know is voting for mccain cuz he doesn't tax as much, which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. We're in debt, and you criticize someone for wanting to push higher taxes. saying that you won't spend as much and the debt will just dissapear is the quintessential words of someone who doesn't understand economics. a trillion dollar debt plus zero spending still equals a trillion dollar debt.

[Phonoho]

In this sleepy little bedroom town where I live there are McCain/Palin yard signs everywhere. Over Halloween, I toyed with the idea of defacing or removing them, but I am, of course, above that shit. After tomorrow, I fully expect them to disappear on their own.
I beat the 5 o'clock rush and stood in line for about ten minutes. I love small towns.

[Jimbalaya]

I must live in a smaller town than you, Phon. I was taken directly to a voting machine as soon as I walked in the door of the local fire station. It was grand. Almost drive-thru voting.

[Corneac]

Proposition 8 passed.

What a sad day.

[jerH]

Originally Posted by Corneac

Proposition 8 passed.

What a sad day.

Couldn't believe that....of course, they're already gearing up for the "repeal prop 8" campaign for the next ballot.

The real question now is what happens to the 18,000+ couples who tied the knot between the California Supreme Court decision and now....

[Venomous Vixen]

Originally Posted by jerH

The real question now is what happens to the 18,000+ couples who tied the knot between the California Supreme Court decision and now....

I watched a same-sex couple speak about this at the no on prop 8 rally in san francisco and all marriages prior to prop 8 are to be honored. I am still shocked over the fact that it passed... in California of all places. I looked at a map and it looks like everywhere but the bay area was a yes. Shameful really. It's a sad day when a nation takes one giant leap forward and another entirely backwards.

[Ryankia]

We shall know the true outcome of America in about 6 months. People are either scared shitless or elated. I am not sure, but for some reason my gut is tying in knots. We can only wait and see.

[Vohkia04]

Well, the election is over, and so seems this thread, but I just want to give my 2 cents about Jeremiah Wright. What the fuck was everyone getting so worked up about?! It was free speech! And most of it was honest! God, whether he exists or not, probably doesn't stand like a statue behind America. He (or she, or it) doesn't watch the "nations board", looking for a good country to follow; this isn't fucking football!

What really got me was that it was very, very evil and bad for Wright to make comments about the fact that God, the being who's sheer anger brought our righteous fist of oppression on the Iraqi people, had dumped the American society, but it's fine for a preacher to spout out shit about how "pro-choice is what God wants" and "Don't let television like the Daily Show continue to 'gay-ify' America." In fact, it's fucking American. It's our duty as "God's children" to perfect the like Jews (I'm quoting Coulter there).

The whole lot of it makes me fucking sick. One great big heap of pseudo-Political bullshit.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Vohkia04

Well, the election is over, and so seems this thread, but I just want to give my 2 cents about Jeremiah Wright. What the fuck was everyone getting so worked up about?! It was free speech! And most of it was honest!

That's why I've decided to pursue fiction rather than journalism (or in this case preaching). Ironically you can get a lot closer to expressing the truth that way.

Abstract example: Shakespeare.

Most of his plays were set in Greece, or Italy, or Denmark etc, yet they were commentaries on English culture of the time. By setting them all abroad he addressed the issue without stepping o